1 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,460 --> 00:00:25,250 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:28,470 episode number 220 for the sixth of 4 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:33,780 January 2013 another year of the skeptic 5 00:00:37,940 --> 00:00:35,210 zonal I was just having a look at 6 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:37,950 through the back catalogue of the 7 00:00:42,490 --> 00:00:39,750 skeptic zone and I realized that the 8 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:42,500 skeptic zone has now been broadcast 9 00:00:55,330 --> 00:00:49,020 webcast in six different years Wow 2008 10 00:00:59,090 --> 00:00:55,340 2009 2010 2011 2012 and now 2013 11 00:01:01,400 --> 00:00:59,100 fantastic and what better way to start a 12 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:01,410 new year then an interview with James 13 00:01:07,340 --> 00:01:05,250 the amazing Randi and what better way to 14 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:07,350 have an interview with James the amazing 15 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:10,830 Randi then conducted by Maynard may not 16 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:12,390 caught up with james randi at the 17 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:14,760 melbourne convention not so long ago and 18 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:18,360 Maynard asks the really tough questions 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:22,110 like what car does James Randi drive 20 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:24,210 that's coming up at the top of the show 21 00:01:30,649 --> 00:01:27,810 after the break it's dr. Rachel dr. 22 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,659 Reggie reports reporting on the latest 23 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:32,880 goings on that's a never ending story 24 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:34,979 with the Australian vaccination networks 25 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:36,990 soon to be called something else of 26 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:39,420 course because they have been required 27 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:42,630 to change their name dr. racheet aches a 28 00:01:49,460 --> 00:01:45,270 look at this outfit and the relationship 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:49,470 they have with Google searches and the 30 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:51,810 strange and bizarre goings-on at their 31 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:54,930 website and to round off the show me 32 00:01:59,359 --> 00:01:57,540 nods back again he went to skeptics in 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:01:59,369 the pub here in Sydney not so long ago 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:03,450 and he asks a lot of people about their 35 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:07,170 predictions for 2013 that's coming up to 36 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:10,440 round off the show later on in the show 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:12,400 I'm going to run a little 38 00:02:19,619 --> 00:02:15,970 promotional bit i've received to do with 39 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:19,629 the dr. Burzynski cancer clinic and if 40 00:02:27,119 --> 00:02:21,489 you can't wait for the later on in the 41 00:02:32,339 --> 00:02:27,129 show the URL to remember is WWE houston 42 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:32,349 cancer quack dot-com the houston cancer 43 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:35,590 quack com more information there all 44 00:02:40,979 --> 00:02:38,290 listen to the little promo coming up 45 00:02:42,809 --> 00:02:40,989 later on in the show 2013 is going to be 46 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:42,819 a fantastic year my friends 2013 is 47 00:02:45,809 --> 00:02:43,870 going to be a great year we're going to 48 00:02:50,190 --> 00:02:45,819 have a another wonderful convention 49 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:50,200 that's coming up in november in canberra 50 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,239 yeah the australian skeptics national 51 00:02:57,119 --> 00:02:54,239 convention will be in Canberra this year 52 00:02:59,729 --> 00:02:57,129 later on in November so we've got a year 53 00:03:02,729 --> 00:02:59,739 to sort of warm up to it lots of special 54 00:03:04,619 --> 00:03:02,739 guests lots of good fun and you'll hear 55 00:03:08,670 --> 00:03:04,629 more about that through the course of 56 00:03:10,289 --> 00:03:08,680 the next few months I am sure right now 57 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:10,299 I just wanted to take a moment to 58 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:14,230 reflect on the the sad news that a good 59 00:03:19,890 --> 00:03:17,560 skeptic has recently died in California 60 00:03:23,069 --> 00:03:19,900 and not only a good skeptic good 61 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:23,079 magician to Bob Steiner now some 62 00:03:27,119 --> 00:03:24,910 Australians will remember the long time 63 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:27,129 ago and I can't quite remember when I 64 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:29,319 think it was the late 80s or early 90s 65 00:03:34,409 --> 00:03:31,540 probably the late 80s Bob's diner came 66 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:34,419 out to Australia under the guise of a 67 00:03:41,369 --> 00:03:37,540 Californian psychic called Steve turbo 68 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:41,379 anyone on various chat shows Bert Newton 69 00:03:46,589 --> 00:03:43,780 show in the derryn hinch show at the 70 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:46,599 time and I think even Steve izod show 71 00:03:53,699 --> 00:03:50,799 from memory to play a joke to convince 72 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:53,709 people he was really a wonderful psychic 73 00:03:56,909 --> 00:03:55,329 in their hand he had all sorts of people 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:03:56,919 believing in him but he was really 75 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:00,250 skeptic out to make a point I think 76 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:01,900 we'll have something more to say about 77 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:04,449 Bob stoner in the next issue of the 78 00:04:09,089 --> 00:04:06,609 skeptic magazine the magazine from 79 00:04:10,619 --> 00:04:09,099 Australian skeptics but yes but sad to 80 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:10,629 know that Bob Stein had died a few days 81 00:04:17,819 --> 00:04:14,290 ago but for now i'm back in sydney 82 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:17,829 australia Wow is it hot in sydney 83 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:19,510 australia after spending a few weeks in 84 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:22,690 california lovely crispy cool winter I'm 85 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:24,260 suddenly thrown back into the 86 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:27,110 middle of a ridiculously hot summer with 87 00:04:32,710 --> 00:04:29,780 more heat wave conditions to come oh I 88 00:04:34,510 --> 00:04:32,720 can't wait for that so I'm going to 89 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:34,520 celebrate the new year I'm going to run 90 00:04:42,010 --> 00:04:38,170 downstairs open the chilled champagne 91 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:42,020 chilled champagne have a glass to toast 92 00:05:00,140 --> 00:04:45,440 you all and while I'm doing that you can 93 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:05,340 here's my not spooky action at the 94 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:07,760 distance 95 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:10,500 it's December in Melbourne and every 96 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,750 December in Melbourne it rains James 97 00:05:15,740 --> 00:05:14,160 Randi you can't go anywhere without 98 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:15,750 tripping over one another the past 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:16,860 couple of days that's what's been 100 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:19,170 happening James Randi how are you very 101 00:05:23,150 --> 00:05:20,430 well thank you and I'm having a 102 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:23,160 marvelous time I mean such interesting 103 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:26,640 folks and as well groups of people and 104 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:30,720 individuals Melbourne is a revelation it 105 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:33,830 really is that women you lost here I 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:35,940 hate to tell you but I think it was a 107 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:39,330 1981 that's when I confronted down lane 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:41,820 and I think that's last time i was in 109 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:43,650 melbourne though I find that hard to 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:45,990 believe I I do so much traveling it's 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:51,050 it's all along in my poor old head but I 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:05:56,250 held a anessa I'm 84 all day and I 113 00:06:02,810 --> 00:05:59,730 always say 84 going on 100 because I'm 114 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:02,820 an optimist now James I was thinking 115 00:06:06,410 --> 00:06:04,950 about you at about 3 30 this morning 116 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:06,420 because there were some bogans in the 117 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:08,070 hotel room next door to me that woke me 118 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:09,630 up and I thought know what I'm asking 119 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:11,940 James mr. Randy something um because 120 00:06:15,530 --> 00:06:13,680 people go oh yes he's part of a big 121 00:06:17,060 --> 00:06:15,540 farmer he's part of some he's on the 122 00:06:19,010 --> 00:06:17,070 government side but disinformation I 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:19,020 thought hang on a minute let's turn that 124 00:06:23,690 --> 00:06:21,650 around you are someone who is into 125 00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:23,700 rationalism you're someone who has a 126 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:25,590 lifestyle that maybe three different 127 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:27,330 successive presidents might not have 128 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:30,270 supported um how come you haven't made 129 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:31,620 so many enemies that you're on the 130 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:34,170 receiving end of some conspiracies oh hi 131 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:37,620 i just made very well be but you know i 132 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:42,150 had 84 you sort of mellow I think I 133 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:43,920 should have mellowed 20 years ago but 134 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:47,730 I'm mellowing now and I take these all 135 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:51,330 these things in turn and I've learned to 136 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:54,570 ignore a great deal of flack from my 137 00:07:00,350 --> 00:06:57,300 detractors out there and I'm sure there 138 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:00,360 they are legion as they say it doesn't 139 00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:02,940 bother me yeah I guess you just get to a 140 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:05,640 certain point you again yeah yeah it's 141 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:07,290 exactly right I don't know how you spell 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:09,480 that but that's exactly what it is yes 143 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:12,210 and it has the term we got to where you 144 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:14,190 want it to be yet that that means the 145 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:16,380 early i always used as food because we 146 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:17,550 were sounds but like a train or 147 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:19,889 something but you want to get whoo whoo 148 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:22,409 into the dictionary I would love to get 149 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:24,180 a whirlwind of the election of the 150 00:07:30,429 --> 00:07:27,120 american dictionary and i want to make 151 00:07:32,899 --> 00:07:30,439 sure it's a hyphenated whoo whoo and 152 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:32,909 that would just be a sort of an 153 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:34,740 accomplishment from VA be one of the 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:36,479 things i have been done yet so i guess i 155 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:38,490 better hurry up and do it now throughout 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:40,020 your career you've dealt would love 157 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:42,930 different various conspiracy theories do 158 00:07:46,999 --> 00:07:44,639 you think who is doing these 159 00:07:48,619 --> 00:07:47,009 conspiracies has changed has it gone 160 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:48,629 from being the government to somebody 161 00:07:53,689 --> 00:07:51,840 else in your lifetime has it the 162 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:53,699 suspicion of who shot kennedy changed 163 00:07:57,230 --> 00:07:55,560 from so many different people that's 164 00:08:00,709 --> 00:07:57,240 come around full circle if you noticed a 165 00:08:03,559 --> 00:08:00,719 sort of a trend I don't know that it's 166 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:03,569 very hard to say and I think it varies 167 00:08:09,860 --> 00:08:05,990 with different levels of society and 168 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:09,870 different nationalities of society but I 169 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:11,370 see a great deal of this conspiracy 170 00:08:18,649 --> 00:08:15,479 theory going on and as a matter of fact 171 00:08:21,769 --> 00:08:18,659 no I shouldn't magic a very famous 172 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:21,779 scientist one of his sons has gone 173 00:08:28,939 --> 00:08:25,710 completely conspiracy mad he believes 174 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:28,949 that everything is a conspiracy it rains 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:31,409 he's hahaha you know he said to you make 176 00:08:37,939 --> 00:08:33,810 an observation I it's not quite that bad 177 00:08:40,819 --> 00:08:37,949 perhaps but almost he cannot imagine the 178 00:08:43,550 --> 00:08:40,829 things just happen you know that that 179 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:43,560 people die people step in front of 180 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:45,720 speeding trucks and or fall off 181 00:08:49,310 --> 00:08:47,519 buildings when you look at something 182 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:49,320 like the banking crisis but you do have 183 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:51,510 people that are in control that can make 184 00:08:56,540 --> 00:08:54,360 things happen oh yes oh yes they can and 185 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:56,550 though they do I'm sure and a lot of it 186 00:09:01,280 --> 00:08:59,160 we're very much unaware of but if we 187 00:09:03,170 --> 00:09:01,290 can't do much about it what we've got to 188 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:03,180 do is we've got to learn to live within 189 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:06,089 our own space and with our families 190 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:08,850 space and our our our friends and 191 00:09:13,189 --> 00:09:11,339 whatnot are our community and we've got 192 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:13,199 to be able to survive survival is the 193 00:09:18,290 --> 00:09:15,570 name of the game after with any species 194 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:18,300 and do you think this is part of what 195 00:09:21,980 --> 00:09:20,550 people have theories and worry about 196 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:21,990 anomalies because they're worried about 197 00:09:27,439 --> 00:09:23,490 something that's going on the background 198 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:27,449 oh yes oh yes of course and for them to 199 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:31,529 take the conspiracy idea very seriously 200 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:32,370 and 201 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:34,230 attribute everything in geo conspiracies 202 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:37,650 I think it's very unhealthy but perhaps 203 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:40,800 they need it I I'm not I can't dictate 204 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:43,620 people's needs of course they they know 205 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:46,910 their own needs are they think they do 206 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:49,440 you've investigated a lot of things in 207 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:51,390 your time is there something that almost 208 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:53,460 looked like it was going to be real up 209 00:09:58,370 --> 00:09:56,010 until the last moment Oh Sophie I ran 210 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:58,380 and I was a it was a it was a long shot 211 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:01,620 but and I I'm joking I'm joking I really 212 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:04,230 am I don't tell Sophie I said that no I 213 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:07,620 i I've named my car Sophia for for many 214 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:10,740 years now actually what kind of car did 215 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:12,750 the amazing Randi drive let me have a 216 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:14,910 guess let's see magicians often like 217 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:16,470 flashy stuff you might have gone with 218 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:18,420 the rolls if the wood that been what you 219 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:21,900 went with I could have retired if I'd 220 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:24,150 gotten the rules if I could have 221 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:26,070 afforded to get a Rolls I could have 222 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:27,810 retired long ago but I don't want to 223 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:30,300 retire in a way no I have a Miata it was 224 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:32,820 suggested to me by a knowledgeable 225 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:34,560 friend and it hasn't given me a moment's 226 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:37,050 trouble so I'm just holding holding 227 00:10:41,870 --> 00:10:39,810 tight well it also known as the mx-5 in 228 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:41,880 this country I believe I don't it's a 229 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:44,850 master isn't it I saw what a Mazda is a 230 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:47,850 me imagine me outta ya oh my god well 231 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:50,010 yeah that's a kind of a sporty car sir 232 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:52,740 it is well I'm pretty character yeah 233 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:55,200 sure now I look you mentioned that 234 00:10:58,699 --> 00:10:56,850 you've done some work at Frank Zappa now 235 00:11:00,949 --> 00:10:58,709 I didn't know that I realized you'd done 236 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:00,959 a lot in the entertainment field and you 237 00:11:04,579 --> 00:11:03,240 supported Frank Zappa at Madison Square 238 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:04,589 Gardens what you would that have been 239 00:11:10,579 --> 00:11:07,650 well it was just a very brief encounter 240 00:11:14,329 --> 00:11:10,589 I was just called why I guess his 241 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:14,339 manager and i was working i was working 242 00:11:19,070 --> 00:11:16,830 on a magic show at the time at madison 243 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:19,080 square gardens and he they just asked me 244 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:21,810 if I could be part of the the Frank 245 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:24,630 Zappa production that was going on and I 246 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:26,760 said but how long oh just just one 247 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:28,680 episode because we got a particularly 248 00:11:33,230 --> 00:11:31,320 wild crowd coming in here tonight and we 249 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:33,240 need something to get the show started 250 00:11:38,449 --> 00:11:35,160 so I went out there and I did my 251 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:38,459 straitjacket upside down it's a it's a 252 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:40,290 Meyer thing but what the hell it made me 253 00:11:44,530 --> 00:11:42,600 a living and I was paid had somebody for 254 00:11:47,530 --> 00:11:44,540 it and which happy just met me 255 00:11:50,380 --> 00:11:47,540 and so happy to know you said but this 256 00:11:51,790 --> 00:11:50,390 is a brief encounter he said they're 257 00:11:53,260 --> 00:11:51,800 throwing up in the aisles they don't 258 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:53,270 know I'm here they don't even know if 259 00:11:58,390 --> 00:11:55,310 they're there they're here said they're 260 00:12:00,760 --> 00:11:58,400 all on dope that they smoking in the 261 00:12:02,140 --> 00:12:00,770 audience right now and let cetera et 262 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:02,150 cetera and each they just do the show 263 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:04,970 collectie bunny and thank you very much 264 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:08,180 but then I ran into him subsequent 265 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:10,670 occasions under strange circumstances 266 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:13,670 bunch in Mexico City and then another 267 00:12:20,050 --> 00:12:17,330 time in that was an odd Broadway yes 268 00:12:22,270 --> 00:12:20,060 when the Merlin show was playing there a 269 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:22,280 very very expensive show that could 270 00:12:26,530 --> 00:12:24,710 never have paid for itself it had to go 271 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:26,540 for something like two and a half years 272 00:12:31,090 --> 00:12:29,360 or so at top and who was the magician 273 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:31,100 wouldn't on that show that was Doug hang 274 00:12:37,540 --> 00:12:35,090 yeah and Doug wasn't very realistic in 275 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,550 many cases that well certainly not at 276 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:39,920 his belief in the Maharishi yet I would 277 00:12:47,290 --> 00:12:44,390 say certainly but I i was always 278 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:47,300 sympathetic with the dog I got very nice 279 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:49,670 letters from over the years yes no does 280 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:51,440 it surprise you because I I see many 281 00:12:55,390 --> 00:12:53,150 magicians getting involved in skeptical 282 00:12:57,490 --> 00:12:55,400 movement and because they can they they 283 00:13:00,100 --> 00:12:57,500 they create illusions so they understand 284 00:13:01,450 --> 00:13:00,110 illusions so why would they be drawn to 285 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:01,460 something that could itself be an 286 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:04,460 illusion why do you think that yes I I 287 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:07,130 don't know but I don't know what Doug's 288 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:09,920 basic education was as a youth though he 289 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:12,080 was born and raised in Toronto Canada or 290 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:17,690 very close to it and he a seemed to have 291 00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:19,460 a good education he seemed to know what 292 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:22,100 made the the world work but when it came 293 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:23,750 right down to the Maharishi he was 294 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:26,330 captivated by this silly gilly gilly 295 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:29,630 guru as I have often referred to him and 296 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:32,810 he was he was taken with it I think he 297 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:35,540 couldn't quite believe that a nice 298 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:38,180 little old man with a beard oh come to 299 00:13:43,810 --> 00:13:39,830 think about my nice little old man with 300 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:43,820 a beard and from India particularly it 301 00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:46,130 could possibly lie to him or deceive him 302 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,190 but again it wasn't the Maharishi that 303 00:13:53,770 --> 00:13:51,680 was the enemy it was the management the 304 00:13:54,319 --> 00:13:53,780 miry she was an organization he wasn't 305 00:13:57,319 --> 00:13:54,329 an end 306 00:13:59,809 --> 00:13:57,329 joel and of course the individual is at 307 00:14:01,460 --> 00:13:59,819 the base of the thing but i think that 308 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:01,470 the management ran away with the 309 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:04,529 Maharishi they took over and he was just 310 00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:07,049 their figurehead they SAT him on a 311 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:08,720 cushion and they said say silly things 312 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:11,160 I've seen a few view appearances on the 313 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:12,809 Johnny Carson show in the u.s. in the 314 00:14:17,629 --> 00:14:15,689 70s you couldn't imagine someone like 315 00:14:19,699 --> 00:14:17,639 yourself going on the the Jay Leno Show 316 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:19,709 now and Jay Leno doing a skeptical thing 317 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:20,850 you couldn't really see that happening 318 00:14:26,410 --> 00:14:24,360 now could you well I actually was given 319 00:14:28,579 --> 00:14:26,420 a call by the jail in lieu of people Oh 320 00:14:30,859 --> 00:14:28,589 several years ago and I've forgotten 321 00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,869 exactly what it was all about but I told 322 00:14:35,419 --> 00:14:32,639 them on the phone what my attitude would 323 00:14:37,369 --> 00:14:35,429 be and they'd ever called back and and 324 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:37,379 they also said that this is not the kind 325 00:14:41,119 --> 00:14:39,480 of thing that Jay does and then takes 326 00:14:44,179 --> 00:14:41,129 his business you know he knows what he 327 00:14:46,549 --> 00:14:44,189 does best and I I shouldn't be 328 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:46,559 complaining is there a show on TV you 329 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:48,410 regularly watch these days you too busy 330 00:14:53,780 --> 00:14:51,929 well I usually tune in the ball for news 331 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:53,790 to the Today Show first thing in the 332 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:55,290 morning seven o'clock in the morning i'm 333 00:15:00,889 --> 00:14:59,040 always up by seven o'clock and i just 334 00:15:03,259 --> 00:15:00,899 get the news that way and i just heard a 335 00:15:04,999 --> 00:15:03,269 square myself up for the day I know how 336 00:15:07,069 --> 00:15:05,009 to handle the news that they handle on 337 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:07,079 The Today Show I know what they filter 338 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:10,230 out and leave in so I sort of understand 339 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:13,860 their their limits and their directions 340 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:17,009 in which they go and so it's fox news if 341 00:15:20,119 --> 00:15:18,720 you're watching folks use music you know 342 00:15:21,949 --> 00:15:20,129 exactly where they're coming from don't 343 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:21,959 you exactly don't believe a thing they 344 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:26,220 say no that is that is scary that Fox 345 00:15:31,999 --> 00:15:28,980 News is so powerful and so many people 346 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:32,009 who tune in to Fox News and I I can't 347 00:15:35,869 --> 00:15:34,410 figure it and this must be one of the 348 00:15:37,789 --> 00:15:35,879 disappointments you get because you work 349 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:37,799 so long for your life to try and get 350 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:40,290 people to see reason that's an example 351 00:15:44,269 --> 00:15:42,360 of a biased news outlet but there's so 352 00:15:45,710 --> 00:15:44,279 many things like like popov you tried to 353 00:15:48,379 --> 00:15:45,720 bring him down and he's made more money 354 00:15:51,169 --> 00:15:48,389 than the EU you exposed him does that 355 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,179 get there must get you down oh not 356 00:15:56,179 --> 00:15:53,279 really because I sort of expected hey I 357 00:15:57,949 --> 00:15:56,189 don't there are so many rational people 358 00:16:01,579 --> 00:15:57,959 out there people who don't think and 359 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:01,589 people who would like nice answers Oprah 360 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:03,929 Winfrey is the queen of all of them of 361 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:05,010 course 362 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:06,810 she will give money and support to 363 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:11,130 anything that sounds okay sounds nice I 364 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:12,750 think I'll give some money for she 365 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:15,510 bought dr. Mehmet Oz his own series on 366 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:18,510 television for example a wonderful from 367 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:21,480 what I understand cardiac surgeon very 368 00:16:26,330 --> 00:16:24,150 renowned in that field yes but other 369 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:26,340 than that he doesn't make any sense at 370 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:29,220 all I only had one short run in with him 371 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:31,980 and it never amounted to anything really 372 00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:35,310 but he saw that I wasn't a woowoo and he 373 00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:38,100 couldn't talk to me any longer do you 374 00:16:42,770 --> 00:16:40,140 think people see that there's no money 375 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:42,780 or there's no future in debunking is 376 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:44,910 that what they're concerned about oh I I 377 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:46,890 don't know what concerns am I they have 378 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:49,380 to have their own standards under thing 379 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:52,950 like that but to be there's enormous 380 00:16:58,700 --> 00:16:56,190 satisfaction and being able to inform 381 00:17:01,460 --> 00:16:58,710 people I had formed them if they don't 382 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:01,470 want to listen they don't want to follow 383 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:04,260 what I suggest to them that's that's 384 00:17:08,449 --> 00:17:07,020 their choice and how do you seen our 385 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:08,459 conference here that's gone on in 386 00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:10,230 Melbourne what do you make of the makeup 387 00:17:13,550 --> 00:17:11,400 of the people you've just had a lunch 388 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:13,560 with the young Australian skeptic said 389 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:16,170 how the hell we looking oh yeah it's 390 00:17:20,689 --> 00:17:18,120 very healthy I think it's very healthy 391 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:20,699 and I just hope that the these young 392 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:24,290 folks who have a critical attitude about 393 00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:27,750 accepting woo woo and what's easy to 394 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:31,560 accept I I hope that they affect the 395 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:34,950 community around them I I think they can 396 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:37,890 become Crusaders or at least straighten 397 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:39,330 out their own lives if they're not 398 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:41,250 already straightened I have great faith 399 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:45,330 in it I'm I'm very I'm very confident I 400 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,360 really have I don't know whether I'm 401 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:50,400 going to live to see any huge change in 402 00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:53,130 that respect I have seen changes during 403 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:56,280 my my short existence of eighty eighty 404 00:18:01,640 --> 00:17:57,960 four years and what is the one that's 405 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:01,650 made you feel most positive oh well the 406 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:05,690 the general attitude about atheists 407 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:09,690 atheists are now not shunned like lepers 408 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:12,810 er have stone thrown at them and people 409 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:14,410 will sort of shrug and 410 00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:16,660 believe it or or accept it or not 411 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:20,440 accepted it's up to them but I declared 412 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:22,660 myself to be an atheist and to be gay 413 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:25,810 years ago so a gay theist damn at one 414 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:27,580 time that was something intolerable 415 00:18:31,530 --> 00:18:29,410 society would throw stones at you no 416 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:31,540 matter whether you're around the corner 417 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:34,480 they till still throw stones but now 418 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:37,600 it's reasonably acceptable and I and 419 00:18:41,460 --> 00:18:39,610 again i think i mentioned to you just 420 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:41,470 after that was made public there was a 421 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:43,480 big so wat when you came out yeah oh 422 00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:46,150 yeah oh yeah right okay here i didn't 423 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:48,520 have a bad moment from it yes truth yeah 424 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:52,750 not a bad moment I I got the usual one 425 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:55,480 or two people on me email he said I knew 426 00:18:59,850 --> 00:18:57,970 it all the time kind of thing and okay 427 00:19:01,980 --> 00:18:59,860 so you knew it all right I'm go away is 428 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:01,990 it a lot of my friends yeah exactly and 429 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:05,740 I thought of my mom and dad and look if 430 00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:07,570 you say one of you've been very busy 431 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:09,670 talking to people i'll have to let you 432 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:10,990 get up and down the lifters i know you 433 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:13,090 like doing in it's great fun is there 434 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,750 one woo or extraordinary claim and i've 435 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:18,160 been asking a few people this the you 436 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:20,110 wish was real is there one of the the 437 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:21,670 claims that people make that you've had 438 00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:23,140 to deal with over the years you thought 439 00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:25,020 gee that would be good if it was real i 440 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:28,900 wish there were some way of perhaps 441 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:31,990 bringing healing powers to to bear on 442 00:19:39,870 --> 00:19:36,570 folks who really deserve a better better 443 00:19:42,540 --> 00:19:39,880 shake of the dice then intelligent 444 00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:42,550 design has given them I mean where were 445 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:44,100 all the products of so-called 446 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:47,710 intelligent design which is I would say 447 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:52,210 it's are they stupid I I wish there but 448 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:55,030 they that the the species didn't have 449 00:20:01,260 --> 00:19:57,250 the weaknesses that it has but that's 450 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:01,270 evolution that's why ology that's nature 451 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:04,270 and we have to manage to survive in 452 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:07,000 spite of it now in my lifetime the 453 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:10,290 changes that have taken place just in 454 00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:14,830 oncology for example I could not have 455 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:18,400 survived if the cancer that hit me some 456 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:22,090 years ago had hit me sick 28 years 457 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:23,650 before that 458 00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:25,750 I would have a very very small chance of 459 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:28,990 surviving but when they saw it they said 460 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:30,670 okay this is what we got to do and I 461 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,160 should go ahead do it and I'm still here 462 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:36,400 and that's the unfortunate thing and I 463 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:40,210 just literally billionaire a friend of 464 00:20:45,390 --> 00:20:42,430 mine once told me you said I rich enough 465 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:45,400 that I can get frozen and starred in a 466 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:47,860 locker if I really want to if something 467 00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:49,870 hits me that I know is going to kill me 468 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:51,580 unless they do better research on it and 469 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:55,390 just lay frozen there until so they get 470 00:20:59,460 --> 00:20:57,700 it and that's not such a bad notion you 471 00:21:00,750 --> 00:20:59,470 know if you got the money the correct 472 00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,760 you don't want any when to drop you and 473 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:02,320 break you while you're doing it while 474 00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:03,640 they're moving here around the dust 475 00:21:12,270 --> 00:21:07,840 underneath you you know but he has a the 476 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:12,280 notion if he can sort of pay to wait and 477 00:21:17,790 --> 00:21:14,920 maybe he can I don't know it's it's a 478 00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:17,800 case of if you've got money you've got a 479 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:19,900 much better chance I bet that's not fair 480 00:21:25,230 --> 00:21:22,270 it's not fair at all look you've heard 481 00:21:28,110 --> 00:21:25,240 and seen it all from net dembow to the 482 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:28,120 naturopath claims to MK ULTRA we've been 483 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:29,830 discussing all sorts of things here at 484 00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:31,030 the conference what's the takeaway 485 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:33,160 message you'd like people to to look at 486 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:34,570 the world in a slightly different way 487 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:35,910 after coming to a conference like this 488 00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:38,440 well I just hope that they've listened 489 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:42,340 well enough to at least some of it and 490 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:44,890 have gone away thinking about it 491 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:47,080 seriously I get mail all the time which 492 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:50,590 is very encouraging and such things as 493 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:52,570 as letters from people to say I thought 494 00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:54,250 you were so and so and we read this at 495 00:21:58,740 --> 00:21:57,040 night I I hated you and I I read your 496 00:22:01,470 --> 00:21:58,750 book Flynn plan when I hated every word 497 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:01,480 of it and you know i saw you on such and 498 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:03,940 such a program where i read this blood 499 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:06,970 or whatever and now i'm i'm prepared to 500 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:09,250 take a different look at it that is so 501 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,950 encouraging you know you may possibly 502 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:14,080 have made a change in someone's attitude 503 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,780 towards myself that's not what i'm 504 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:18,400 looking for i'm looking for them to do 505 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:21,490 to make a change in their philosophy and 506 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:23,470 their view of the world and how it works 507 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:25,930 and not being afraid to see how it 508 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,950 really works instead of pretending 509 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:30,960 and many people have told me that I made 510 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,480 a difference in their lives every time I 511 00:22:39,050 --> 00:22:35,760 hear that I swear if you turned out the 512 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:39,060 lights I'd be glowing james randi thank 513 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:41,010 you very much and thank you for doing a 514 00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:42,120 magic trick with me the other day I 515 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,860 believe it's known as the book trick you 516 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:45,840 did that with me but I just enjoyed 517 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:49,140 being bamboozled and I really enjoyed it 518 00:23:12,710 --> 00:22:51,810 while you're a bamboozle eat in that 519 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,090 astronomy cast it takes a fax based 520 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:16,960 journey through the cosmos as it offers 521 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:18,850 listeners weekly discussions on 522 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:21,550 astronomical topics ranging from planets 523 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:24,430 to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of 524 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,740 Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela 525 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:27,760 gave southern illinois university 526 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:30,430 edwardsville this show brings the 527 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:32,290 questions of an avid astronomy lover 528 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:34,750 directly to an astronomer together 529 00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:36,820 Fraser and I explore what is known and 530 00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:38,380 being discovered about the universe 531 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:41,140 around us join us each week as we take a 532 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:43,210 fact space journey through the cosmos at 533 00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:53,860 astronomy cast calm now it's time for 534 00:24:01,890 --> 00:23:56,500 dr. Richie reports with dr. Rachel 535 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:01,900 Dunlop hello everyone and welcome to dr. 536 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:04,810 Rachel thoughts well more news this week 537 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:06,730 on the anti-vaccine network or the 538 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:08,500 Australian vaccination networkers they 539 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:11,410 prefer to be known as this week news 540 00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:13,480 arose that their google com delay you 541 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:16,030 ranking has fallen dramatically this is 542 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:18,070 particularly important and I'll explain 543 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:20,830 why in a moment but for years and years 544 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:23,410 the avian has ranked number two on the 545 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:26,170 ADI Google site often just under the 546 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:29,140 Wikipedia page but today it was noticed 547 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:30,760 they have tumbled all the way to number 548 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:33,250 nine which is second from the bottom of 549 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:35,650 the front page this was picked up by 550 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:37,870 Melbourne skeptic Chris Higgins who has 551 00:24:43,050 --> 00:24:40,150 been following the direct pills hack on 552 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:43,060 the avian website for some time and for 553 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:45,340 those of you who don't know the avian 554 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:47,380 used to use joomla as their content 555 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:49,480 management system but earlier this year 556 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:51,970 took their site offline for several days 557 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:55,210 to migrate to WordPress but as early as 558 00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:57,850 april 2012 merrill dory was already 559 00:25:01,680 --> 00:24:59,530 posting questions in the wordpress 560 00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:01,690 forums saying she had received 561 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:04,060 notification that someone had tried to 562 00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:06,490 change her password and that a new admin 563 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:09,400 account had been set up this later 564 00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:11,860 resulted in Farmer spam appearing under 565 00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:14,680 their name in google and even more 566 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:17,080 recently links from google redirect 567 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:17,740 immediate 568 00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:21,370 to direct pills calm now according to 569 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,870 Chris Higgins who has dealt with this 570 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:25,120 type of hack before the only way to 571 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:27,130 remove it completely is to delete the 572 00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:29,710 site and start again yet even though 573 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,480 Merrill has apparently been aware of it 574 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:34,720 since April 2012 and had a budget of 575 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:36,670 sixteen thousand dollars for computer 576 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:39,910 costs in 2010 the hack remains in place 577 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:43,840 today and as proposed by another blogger 578 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:46,809 at diluted thinking com this poses some 579 00:25:50,250 --> 00:25:48,370 rather interesting questions with 580 00:25:53,070 --> 00:25:50,260 respect to security of the avians 581 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:53,080 website especially since they have a 582 00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:55,570 shop and a vaccine adverse events 583 00:26:00,419 --> 00:25:58,110 reporting form linked to their site I 584 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:00,429 wonder if the Privacy Commissioner would 585 00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:03,809 be interested in hearing about that 586 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:06,280 another thing that has likely affected 587 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:08,230 their previous high google ranking is 588 00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:10,210 their poor ranking on web of trust or 589 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:13,240 what now what is a crowdsourced tool 590 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:15,670 that collides website ratings from users 591 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:17,860 under four categories and then it plugs 592 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:19,630 into your browser and gives you warnings 593 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:22,690 depending on the ranking of the site the 594 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:25,330 categories are trustworthiness child 595 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:29,010 safety privacy and vendor reliability 596 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:31,570 based on what I've already revealed you 597 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:34,270 might suspect that the ABN ranks poorly 598 00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:36,130 in all of these categories and you would 599 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:38,830 be right this might not normally be an 600 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:40,900 issue for them except that earlier this 601 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:43,480 year Facebook partnered up with what to 602 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:45,809 protect their users from unsafe websites 603 00:26:50,370 --> 00:26:48,700 so this means that any time the avn put 604 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:50,380 a link to their website which also 605 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:52,510 incorporates their blog by the way on 606 00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:55,270 their facebook page and users try to 607 00:27:00,060 --> 00:26:57,580 click through they get a giant dialog 608 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:00,070 box that says warning this site has been 609 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:03,460 deemed abusive by Facebook partners now 610 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:05,080 what effect this has had on their google 611 00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:07,210 ranking I'm not sure but it certainly 612 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:09,309 has prevented some people from clicking 613 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:11,350 through because they often come back to 614 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:13,330 the facebook page and describe that they 615 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:15,070 don't know how to get past the warning 616 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:17,710 so why does a fall in Google rankings 617 00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:20,230 even matter well actually it matters a 618 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:24,280 lot for several reasons firstly the most 619 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:26,230 recent statistics about Australians 620 00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,870 computer use show that about 80% of us 621 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:30,880 now have access to the internet at home 622 00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:33,190 and the use of mobile devices is on the 623 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:36,040 rise so nearly all of us have access to 624 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:40,240 the web 24-7 wherever we are also half 625 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:42,490 of us now self-diagnose online and 626 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:44,500 seventy percent of us research our 627 00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:47,350 medications online with respect to 628 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:49,660 Google it's the search engine of choice 629 00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:52,150 for ninety three percent of us so when 630 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:53,830 it comes to sourcing information about 631 00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:56,170 our health and medication dr. google 632 00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:58,810 dominates but more importantly for the 633 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,570 avn evidence suggests that online health 634 00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:03,760 information seekers examine the first 635 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:07,630 ten search results 97.2 percent of the 636 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:11,950 time so 97.2 percent of people do not go 637 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:15,700 past page one on google this makes it 638 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:18,310 even more important to keep your website 639 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:20,440 on page one if you want to get maximum 640 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:23,350 exposure or actually really any exposure 641 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:26,230 at all so even if parents do find the 642 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:28,180 avn site do you get past the what 643 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:30,730 warning and do click through we do know 644 00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:32,560 that if they land on an anti vac site 645 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:34,900 spending as little as five minutes can 646 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:36,850 influence their decisions months down 647 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:39,910 the track and we also know from research 648 00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:42,250 that parents who exempt children from 649 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:44,620 vaccinations are more likely to obtain 650 00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:46,780 their information from the internet than 651 00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,400 parents who have had their children 652 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,520 vaccinated so if you were to search 653 00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,650 google com delay you for vaccination 654 00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:56,400 today the first hit would be Wikipedia 655 00:29:02,010 --> 00:28:59,560 which fits nicely with evidence that for 656 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:02,020 any search term on Google wiki ranks 657 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:04,420 among the first 10 results in 71 to 658 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:06,190 eighty-five percent of search engines 659 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:09,640 and keywords tested and the ninth search 660 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:11,950 on google.com today you today would be 661 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:14,950 the avn down from number two now if you 662 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:17,230 search google com delay you for the avn 663 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:19,570 page the first hit is their site 664 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:23,320 followed by their wiki page now this is 665 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,630 also interesting because according to a 666 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:27,520 recent article published in the internet 667 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:30,100 journal called first Monday and written 668 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:32,350 by an avian sympathizer Professor Brian 669 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,870 Martin the avian seems to be not 670 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:36,960 especially happy with their wiki entry 671 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:39,430 I've previously blogged about the 672 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:41,290 reasons why and you can find that on the 673 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:43,180 skeptics book com if you want more 674 00:29:46,170 --> 00:29:44,440 information 675 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:46,180 but they have tried to edit the bad 676 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,170 words from the page with no avail sadly 677 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:52,480 for the avn however based on its search 678 00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:54,310 engine ranking and page view statistics 679 00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:56,920 the english wikipedia is a prominent 680 00:30:01,290 --> 00:29:58,870 source of online health information 681 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,300 compared to other health information 682 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:03,940 providers that have been studied so most 683 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:06,040 people will land on wiki and most people 684 00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:09,400 will read wiki so taken together it's 685 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:11,470 not looking good for the avians online 686 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:14,110 profile search google for vaccinations 687 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:15,910 and they've tumbled tonight the position 688 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:18,580 search the avian on google and that you 689 00:30:23,070 --> 00:30:20,500 get a big farmer hatch site immediately 690 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:23,080 followed by a detailed and scathing wiki 691 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:26,380 entry i don't know how long or if the 692 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:28,390 avian will ever fall off page one of 693 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:30,820 google completely but funnily enough 694 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:32,770 they're currently being shadowed by the 695 00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:35,140 stop the avian facebook page which falls 696 00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:37,900 at number ten on page one which i guess 697 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200 kind of seems appropriate but imagine if 698 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:43,120 they do fall off page one of google 699 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:45,130 there would be a lot less misinformation 700 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:47,290 about vaccines getting out to australian 701 00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:49,990 parents and this can't be a bad thing if 702 00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:51,940 you'd like to read more about today's 703 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:54,100 dr. Richie reports you can find two 704 00:30:59,310 --> 00:30:56,290 blogs on this topic at skeptics book 705 00:31:03,250 --> 00:30:59,320 calm and until next time this has been 706 00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,080 dr. Rachel Dunlop is one of Australia's 707 00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:08,880 foremost media commentators in matters 708 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,280 concerning so-called alternative 709 00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:12,840 medicine she has appeared on national 710 00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:16,620 radio and national television dr. H E is 711 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:18,929 available for interviews and you can 712 00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:22,890 contact her at Rachel at skeptic zone 713 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:37,330 last year Houston cancer quack Stanislaw 714 00:31:41,170 --> 00:31:39,290 Burzynski made headlines around the 715 00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,180 world with someone he had hired issued 716 00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:43,400 legal threats to bloggers who called him 717 00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:45,230 out for charging patients hundreds of 718 00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:47,420 thousands of dollars to enroll in 719 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:50,630 so-called clinical trials for over 35 720 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:52,910 years this year the skeptics for the 721 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,010 protection of cancer patients is raising 722 00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,200 funds in Stanislaw Burzynski named for 723 00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:59,480 st. jude children's research hospital we 724 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:01,580 want to raise at least thirty thousand 725 00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,410 dollars the cost of enrolling in one of 726 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:06,080 his trials on dr. Burzynski 70th 727 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:09,050 birthday January 23rd we are going to 728 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,460 issue a challenge to the Burzynski 729 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:13,070 clinic to match the total funds raised 730 00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:14,810 by skeptics and supporters of sound 731 00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:16,700 science whether or not brzezinski 732 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:18,560 chooses to participate in our fundraiser 733 00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:20,930 will be able to say this is probably the 734 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,820 greatest thing ever accomplished for 735 00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:25,760 cancer research in his name visit the 736 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:28,820 houston cancer quack calm and give until 737 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:55,450 I'm here in perhaps are the most gifted 738 00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:57,410 people as far as like seeing the future 739 00:33:01,150 --> 00:32:59,480 possibly ever could be it skeptics in 740 00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:01,160 the pub I predicted fairly shortly I'll 741 00:33:05,170 --> 00:33:03,140 go to the bar yet again and be refused 742 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:05,180 service but yeah that's a repeating kind 743 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:07,730 of thing like time is in a circle as we 744 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:09,410 all know it's not in a straight line and 745 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:11,210 also where I predict that sometime in 746 00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:13,130 the coming year I will no longer be 747 00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:15,080 employed at the ABC under perhaps 748 00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:16,820 controversial circumstances but it's 749 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:19,280 just it's just a prediction now around 750 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:21,470 you look you've got at least a crystal 751 00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:23,930 ball that we've spoken about what do you 752 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:25,700 got his predictions for 2013 put your 753 00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:27,740 money where your crystal ball is okay 754 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:30,140 well I predict that Bert Newton will 755 00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:32,390 have a health scare and his son will 756 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:34,670 have a legal square I predict that there 757 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:38,450 will be an election in Australia in 2013 758 00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:42,770 I think Tony Abbott will win yeah I can 759 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:47,060 make that prediction why not I good 760 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:50,690 uncanny comes to mind and budgie 761 00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:53,110 smugglers that also comes to mind I 762 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:55,220 think I can't think of anything else 763 00:34:00,040 --> 00:33:57,410 right now I've got budgeting smugglers 764 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:00,050 in my mind look we got Jessica Rabbit 765 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:02,300 yes just follow this is this is not 766 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:04,010 Jessica the astrologer by the way to a 767 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:05,690 lot of people get you mixed up this is 768 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:08,090 Jessica the skeptic Oh might get mixed 769 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:10,100 up with this an astrologer how excited 770 00:34:13,899 --> 00:34:12,169 jessica adams subject she's been on the 771 00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:13,909 show before she's I'm she's my favorite 772 00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:16,429 Australian astrologer you'll be much 773 00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:18,919 more accurate than to you oh well I'm 774 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:21,560 going to I'm going to think big I'm 775 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:23,720 going to think tsunami I'm going to 776 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:25,250 think earthquake I'm going to think 777 00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:26,970 volcano 778 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:28,830 but why are you going so big I mean 779 00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:30,510 Jessica Adams a psychic only said that 780 00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:33,419 the Great Gatsby would be a hit I mean 781 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:34,440 why don't you go wonder you go at 782 00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:36,030 something like that so are you saying 783 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:40,560 that the great gatsby won't be a hit no 784 00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:43,080 no I'm sure the great gatsby will be a 785 00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:46,139 fantastic head but but I like a grand 786 00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:49,260 scale two things i like i like a global 787 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:53,550 a global perspective i like yeah ok yeah 788 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,580 ok yeah actually we got someone who we 789 00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,740 got here this is put a voltage oh you 790 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:00,960 have a tradition for getting quite a 791 00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,250 good percentage right on these 792 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:04,080 predictions at you well I didn't do any 793 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:07,080 predictions for 2012 well but for 2,000 794 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:08,430 intended to that well no one predicted 795 00:35:13,339 --> 00:35:11,820 that no right not it but the 2010-2011 I 796 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,349 made predictions which will publish on 797 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:16,680 the Yahoo website in January for 2010 I 798 00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:18,270 got eighty one point two five percent 799 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:19,980 correct compared to professional 800 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,690 astrologers who are psychics who 801 00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:24,180 averaged seven percent and I got eighty 802 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:27,420 four point five percent for 2011 what 803 00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:29,130 I'm going to do but you saying stuff 804 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:30,840 like in the monty python movie there'll 805 00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,670 be rumors of things going astray and 806 00:35:36,579 --> 00:35:34,560 stuff like that I made quite explicit 807 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:36,589 okay things like for example I said 808 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,700 there will be a scandal involving a 809 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:40,500 footballer and a teenager who put stuff 810 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:42,210 up on Twitter 811 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:44,580 that's what I also made a quantity one 812 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:46,910 and i think i'll make it again for 2013 813 00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:49,050 that there will be tsunamis or 814 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,270 earthquakes and floods that affect nine 815 00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:53,760 countries with an eye on the nine but 816 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:56,280 again I mean people could say like you 817 00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,930 were accused of you you've been a bit 818 00:36:02,300 --> 00:35:59,760 obviously you're actually thinking about 819 00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:02,310 what might happen and saying it I mean 820 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:04,230 that's not prediction I predicted the 821 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,560 wedding of William and Kate yeah yeah I 822 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,540 predicted that well have you got any 823 00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:11,280 celebrity predictions for us celebrity 824 00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:15,480 predictions for this year I predict and 825 00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:16,859 I don't nine people because it puts a 826 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:18,900 hex on their marriage isn't it let me a 827 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:21,810 guy whose name starts with M may leave 828 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:23,250 the ABC under controversial 829 00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:24,810 circumstances is edible you better say 830 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:26,550 that's always on the cards that what 831 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:29,609 isn't hardly worth predicting at all now 832 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:31,830 what I'm going to break is the two at 833 00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:34,770 least two high-profile Hollywood couples 834 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,220 will separate within two weeks of the 835 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:40,200 separation being announced one wall 836 00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:41,730 between this in seen in the company of 837 00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:44,820 another person and william moody denial 838 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:46,020 to that present a TV live with the 839 00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:48,630 break-up I think she's stuck with ob 840 00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:50,339 rooms and things young astray Ameen cuz 841 00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:52,520 that that's about as likely as that one 842 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:55,950 I could predict an election in Australia 843 00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:57,450 but I think that yeah that's pretty I 844 00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:59,130 won't predict the outcome of elections 845 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,390 because I don't want to influence the 846 00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,920 outcome of elections oh yeah well that 847 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:03,900 is possible no so there will be an 848 00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:05,010 election that i'm not going to pretty 849 00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:06,990 I'm gonna buddy but it'll be a close 850 00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,680 election okay so close last one so you 851 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:12,420 saying it's like a Heisenberg principle 852 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:14,430 of elections going on here that if you 853 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,530 like say who might win that that will 854 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:18,480 actually affect the outcome oh I think 855 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,580 that's certainly the case I've done this 856 00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:22,740 in the past well thank you a great sage 857 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:24,950 and I mean that in this sort of it's um 858 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:27,690 no I know what side you that some kind 859 00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:29,250 of her be stuck inside chickens that's 860 00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,950 right yeah let's go smoke some sage good 861 00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:35,040 idea i'm here with tim minimize him how 862 00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:36,900 are you very well thank you may not I 863 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:38,369 can see that you're affected by the 864 00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:40,050 great sage as well tonight absolutely 865 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:42,030 with reputable great sage but I my dear 866 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,190 yeah absolutely yes yes I've been 867 00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:46,020 affected by the great hops I've been 868 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:47,339 studying the grain hops for many years 869 00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:48,570 actually I'd regards up with a bit of an 870 00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:49,950 expert and look at and I must 871 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,990 congratulate you on on the skeptic 872 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:53,700 magazine format this month it's a good 873 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:54,930 little format I quite like it and you 874 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:56,010 have successfully 875 00:37:59,300 --> 00:37:57,450 embarrassed me which I thought was 876 00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:59,310 almost previously impossible now I try 877 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:00,780 very hard to embarrass you may not but 878 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:02,460 we had to do is accurately say what I do 879 00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:05,310 for a job and my face went red I'm glad 880 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:06,780 to hear that all great now everyone 881 00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,970 knows that's right yeah I always thought 882 00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:10,740 actually sort of manner you configured a 883 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,030 lot to that embarrassment i should add 884 00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,400 exactly I yeah I mean you couldn't done 885 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,960 it without me I have something like no I 886 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,940 don't agree with that yes you've seen a 887 00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:19,740 lot of predictions in your time they've 888 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:20,940 actually been any predictions by 889 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,710 astrologers or psychics that have 890 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,480 actually been on the money that have 891 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:27,000 surprised you in being correct there 892 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:28,110 have been some that are on the money but 893 00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,730 that I'm surprised you make enough 894 00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,260 predictions something something 895 00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:33,000 somewhere is going to come true the most 896 00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,710 the predictions are pretty rubbish right 897 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,960 there so vague and so general that they 898 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:38,700 could apply to anything and I've dealt 899 00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:40,170 with a lot of people who have come 900 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:41,670 forward to me and sort of st. say 901 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:43,770 they're psychics my favorite one who one 902 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:46,470 who came to me and could not tell you 903 00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:48,660 what my name was even though I told her 904 00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:51,420 what my name was and she said I said hi 905 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:53,820 that's not psychic that's just if I well 906 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:55,170 I did to the finder who and say hi it's 907 00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:57,090 tim mendham from the skeptics and she 908 00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:58,320 come back about three minutes late and 909 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:01,170 say your name is Ellen I say no no no 910 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,270 it's keith known an island I said I told 911 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:05,040 you what my name was sushi don't tell me 912 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:06,930 now so what do you have done and this 913 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:08,190 happens several phone calls in a row 914 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,530 this poor lady was sort of obviously the 915 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:13,740 world's worst psychic and she was 916 00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:15,210 ringing you for the for the challenge 917 00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:16,500 for the 10 best she was bringing for the 918 00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:18,990 challenge and sort of generally to do to 919 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:20,670 impress me with how how good she wasn't 920 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:22,620 being psychic making predictions and 921 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,170 actually what would impress you from a 922 00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:27,660 psychic I mean how would you basically 923 00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,190 set up a test that would work that would 924 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:32,400 keep you happy I mean I mean simply how 925 00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,140 would you run it are you talking 926 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:36,180 predictions so you know yeah I mean like 927 00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,370 I mean yeah if you're testing a psychic 928 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:40,440 what protocol would you put in place and 929 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,690 to do it accurately and quickly just 930 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:44,160 simply is there an answer to the way you 931 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:45,510 do it well yeah I've been through 932 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:47,310 prediction side is pretty hard actually 933 00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,570 cuz a lot of people make predictions 934 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:50,880 psychic predictions way out in the 935 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:52,020 future and you say well i can't i can't 936 00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:54,030 wait ten years to see if something's 937 00:39:56,570 --> 00:39:54,840 going to happen that's where this 938 00:39:58,540 --> 00:39:56,580 psychic i'm talking to actually try to 939 00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,550 do i said giving a particular time frame 940 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,920 make a very very precise prediction like 941 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:04,140 you know don't just say there's gonna be 942 00:40:08,859 --> 00:40:06,650 an earthquake pick a place a time 943 00:40:10,509 --> 00:40:08,869 strengths that sort of thing right 944 00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:10,519 earthquakes happen a be every minute of 945 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:12,140 every day but I mean I need something 946 00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:14,089 very very precise i need a time frame 947 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:17,420 which is precisely and basically that 948 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:19,160 would be interesting to start with but 949 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:21,410 you need a number of those with own 950 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:23,180 generals have a psychic you just go 951 00:40:26,109 --> 00:40:23,900 through the normal sort of 952 00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:26,119 parapsychology tests but you do them 953 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:28,069 properly and the control conditions and 954 00:40:31,809 --> 00:40:29,210 that sort of thing but though the 955 00:40:33,249 --> 00:40:31,819 prediction of stuff is fun a lot of 956 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:33,259 people sort of follow it but then never 957 00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:34,910 follow up on it and that's the problem 958 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:37,220 right but I met Whitney out we do it cuz 959 00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,650 we're spoiled sports now I have spoken 960 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:41,839 to to Jessica Adams a few times and she 961 00:40:45,759 --> 00:40:43,849 has spirit guides and and she explains 962 00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:45,769 it that the predictions aren't 963 00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:47,630 completely accurate because in this 964 00:40:52,089 --> 00:40:50,359 realm we aren't meant to have that kind 965 00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:52,099 of accuracy given to us from other 966 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:53,720 people because if we did that and 967 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:54,920 particularly when it comes to things 968 00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:57,170 like creating wealth for ourselves that 969 00:41:00,339 --> 00:40:58,430 there will be something wrong with that 970 00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:00,349 within the realms okay so that's in 971 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:01,640 response to the question if you know all 972 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:03,049 these things why aren't you rich yeah 973 00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:04,910 yeah why can't you win the lotto or the 974 00:41:07,989 --> 00:41:06,230 horse race oh that's a predict the 975 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:07,999 Melbourne Cup it's a nice out isn't it 976 00:41:13,539 --> 00:41:11,660 yeah it's a chance I'm a pure atmosphere 977 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:13,549 it's a way does it have avoid being 978 00:41:17,279 --> 00:41:15,410 proved wrong because you don't never 979 00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:17,289 make accurate predictions so you know 980 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:19,880 precise predictions if I can tell you've 981 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:22,130 encountered that one before yeah yeah 982 00:41:26,769 --> 00:41:24,529 quite a lot but I've also encounter 983 00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:26,779 though people who make firm predictions 984 00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:28,430 and I've had someone who made a lot 985 00:41:33,309 --> 00:41:30,380 recently about the weather and floods in 986 00:41:34,299 --> 00:41:33,319 Brisbane etc after the fact but when 987 00:41:36,130 --> 00:41:34,309 they made these predictions and I 988 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:36,140 pointed out the ones they were saying 989 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,940 we'll come to in the future had not come 990 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:40,400 true they would then criticize me for 991 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:43,369 being so picky basically I mean that day 992 00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:45,470 there's always an excuse they will never 993 00:41:50,979 --> 00:41:49,160 admit they're wrong and look speaking of 994 00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:50,989 being wrong I'm in the recent episode 995 00:41:56,049 --> 00:41:53,180 the skeptic you criticized to the greats 996 00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:56,059 charles berlitz and erich von daniken in 997 00:42:00,759 --> 00:41:58,220 the same paragraph i believe you used 998 00:42:03,339 --> 00:42:00,769 words as unsubstantiated evidence kit 999 00:42:05,769 --> 00:42:03,349 under the house if the guys got gold of 1000 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:05,779 the gods return to the stars Chariots of 1001 00:42:10,029 --> 00:42:07,190 the Gods three books what more do you 1002 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:10,039 want cherries are the gods ? he had a 1003 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:11,450 question mark at the end of it if you 1004 00:42:14,109 --> 00:42:12,470 notice the book is always a question 1005 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:14,119 mark my favorite thing about Erich von 1006 00:42:18,549 --> 00:42:16,430 Daniken is that only people one notices 1007 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:18,559 they just scotch drinker you've got to 1008 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:21,710 respect that he tried to be impressive 1009 00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:23,930 by having a pipe but he never actually 1010 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:26,359 lit the pipe even they on TV with his 1011 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:28,130 pipe in his mouth making pontificating 1012 00:42:33,549 --> 00:42:31,970 statements it was never a light if you 1013 00:42:35,289 --> 00:42:33,559 were filming a guides inside a small 1014 00:42:36,849 --> 00:42:35,299 house would you want to be piping it up 1015 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:36,859 from and did you have a leather patch on 1016 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:39,109 his yeah like the light of course Carl 1017 00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:40,910 Sagan used to try that one on I think he 1018 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:43,670 haven't you had a suede suede coat with 1019 00:42:47,289 --> 00:42:45,980 leather patches on it then the ganders 1020 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:47,299 what a person who had leather patches on 1021 00:42:52,749 --> 00:42:50,930 a woollen jumper just to be different oh 1022 00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:52,759 I think I'll let you get back to the 1023 00:42:55,779 --> 00:42:54,440 great sage of the great hops thank you 1024 00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:55,789 thank you very much maybe it's calling 1025 00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:00,410 me it's calling me a lot ok it wins look 1026 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:02,660 it's January skeptics in the pub and as 1027 00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:04,130 you all know there's plenty of skeptics 1028 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:05,509 sitting on top of Christmas trees and 1029 00:43:09,069 --> 00:43:06,890 bubbling around at this time of year 1030 00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:09,079 it's a relaxed skip to get the pub 1031 00:43:12,819 --> 00:43:11,660 there's actually no speaker or anyone 1032 00:43:15,339 --> 00:43:12,829 doing anything it's just basically 1033 00:43:17,229 --> 00:43:15,349 skeptics at the pub and doing what they 1034 00:43:18,789 --> 00:43:17,239 do at the pub celebrating in the sort of 1035 00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:18,799 alcoholic kind of way who we got here 1036 00:43:23,049 --> 00:43:21,529 I'm Nick and what brought you along to 1037 00:43:27,279 --> 00:43:23,059 the skeptics meeting it's your first one 1038 00:43:29,019 --> 00:43:27,289 well the fact that i've heard that it's 1039 00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:29,029 on and heard that it sounds like there's 1040 00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:30,920 a community of people and they're not 1041 00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:32,869 religious and that it may be a community 1042 00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:35,660 in other respects and and what was the 1043 00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:37,400 issue that hooked you onto it and did 1044 00:43:40,329 --> 00:43:39,079 you listen to a podcast or how did you 1045 00:43:42,489 --> 00:43:40,339 sort of had what was the actual 1046 00:43:44,259 --> 00:43:42,499 connection spot while i've been to the 1047 00:43:46,769 --> 00:43:44,269 sydney atheists group and this was 1048 00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:46,779 recommended as a similar 1049 00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:50,799 now of course being an atheist you must 1050 00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:52,150 have your favorite book of the Bible 1051 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:53,380 because one thing we all know about 1052 00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:55,150 atheists is that they really read their 1053 00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:56,169 Bible because if you're going to 1054 00:43:59,009 --> 00:43:57,640 criticize something it's always good to 1055 00:44:00,959 --> 00:43:59,019 have something to pull out the air do 1056 00:44:04,499 --> 00:44:00,969 you have one at all or a bad book I'd 1057 00:44:06,689 --> 00:44:04,509 say numbers the death of 32,000 people 1058 00:44:08,689 --> 00:44:06,699 of the enslavement of 32,000 Midianite 1059 00:44:10,769 --> 00:44:08,699 virgins for up for a book that's still 1060 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:10,779 useful and interesting i'd say some of 1061 00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:13,390 songs well now now that's one I don't 1062 00:44:17,069 --> 00:44:15,640 know much about has it got some poetry 1063 00:44:18,749 --> 00:44:17,079 or something what's going on there it's 1064 00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:18,759 got a whole lot of beautiful love poetry 1065 00:44:25,229 --> 00:44:20,709 it talks about lovemaking being like 1066 00:44:27,209 --> 00:44:25,239 fine wine the is unmarried there's a man 1067 00:44:29,279 --> 00:44:27,219 supposedly kind of King Solomon going 1068 00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:29,289 off talking about this unmarried woman 1069 00:44:33,899 --> 00:44:31,390 who he has this extensive relationship 1070 00:44:35,669 --> 00:44:33,909 with this is this is an area of the 1071 00:44:37,019 --> 00:44:35,679 famous Bronze Age fiction that I've 1072 00:44:39,539 --> 00:44:37,029 never actually got into here this is 1073 00:44:40,739 --> 00:44:39,549 amazing that this does it not get quoted 1074 00:44:42,479 --> 00:44:40,749 often because there's a bit of 1075 00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:42,489 naughtiness in it is considered an 1076 00:44:46,469 --> 00:44:44,049 adults-only section of the Bible that 1077 00:44:47,819 --> 00:44:46,479 I'm sure many fundamentalists would wish 1078 00:44:50,279 --> 00:44:47,829 that they could actually take out and 1079 00:44:51,449 --> 00:44:50,289 not expose to children Wow and look you 1080 00:44:53,249 --> 00:44:51,459 haven't got any predictions for 2013 1081 00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:53,259 have you decided to back away from that 1082 00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:55,630 kind of thing well I'm not sure I 1083 00:45:00,689 --> 00:44:56,829 wouldn't hold them with any certainty 1084 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:00,699 one prediction I would have is if Tony 1085 00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:02,650 Abbott does win the federal election I 1086 00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:03,640 think he's going to have a leadership 1087 00:45:07,919 --> 00:45:05,349 spill fairly soon afterwards because i 1088 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:07,929 think the number of free thinkers and 1089 00:45:11,339 --> 00:45:09,609 intelligent people would not stand for 1090 00:45:13,979 --> 00:45:11,349 the kind of politics and with the 1091 00:45:15,689 --> 00:45:13,989 initials MCB anywhere in there i'll post 1092 00:45:17,339 --> 00:45:15,699 quite possibly right so we're gonna have 1093 00:45:20,549 --> 00:45:17,349 a rapper as they live the head of the 1094 00:45:22,979 --> 00:45:20,559 Liberal Party it's rebel MC that'd be 1095 00:45:26,219 --> 00:45:22,989 good and it'll be great I love that MC 1096 00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:26,229 Hammer that'd be fantastic I you know 1097 00:45:29,819 --> 00:45:28,119 I'm not sure that could hold on with 1098 00:45:31,259 --> 00:45:29,829 your lecture I think it's a bold I think 1099 00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:31,269 we can look forward to having those MC 1100 00:45:34,499 --> 00:45:32,769 Hammer pirate pants stuff going on in 1101 00:45:37,259 --> 00:45:34,509 Parliament that'll be fantastic that 1102 00:45:38,579 --> 00:45:37,269 that it's all solved the whole skirts or 1103 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:38,589 shorts debate over and you just whether 1104 00:45:42,209 --> 00:45:40,390 MC Hammer pants in that a house of 1105 00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:42,219 speakers whatever happens I'm sure it'll 1106 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:43,900 be a departure from the norm of the past 1107 00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:46,089 okay well we'll see the next meeting 1108 00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:47,350 hopefully 1109 00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:50,020 over here we have someone who you know 1110 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:51,940 it's your first time as well now how did 1111 00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:53,710 you find us I saw you but skip decamp 1112 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:55,300 but I had a wide you to finally decide 1113 00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:57,010 to come along and annoy us all who it 1114 00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:59,050 skeptics to the pub I actually have a 1115 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:01,510 day off today sort of I worked later on 1116 00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:03,490 tonight but um yeah so I've got some 1117 00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:05,560 time before work because I come in but 1118 00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,470 what website do you run i run a reporter 1119 00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:11,680 Roth and seek the evidence and skeptical 1120 00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:13,720 kids safety evidence is supposed to be a 1121 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:17,460 community fund of community run 1122 00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:20,530 wikipedia styled a website where people 1123 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:22,390 can contribute different videos images 1124 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:25,060 that promote critical thinking or even 1125 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:26,380 cognitive information on different 1126 00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:28,510 cognitive biases and skeptical kids were 1127 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,820 supposed to be your website that's aimed 1128 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:33,520 between seven and 15 year olds to try 1129 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:35,170 and get them interested in thinking 1130 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:37,330 critically now your profession is as a 1131 00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:39,250 security guard so how many user being 1132 00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:42,760 able security go just over six seven 1133 00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:45,100 years yeah so in years 7 years of it 1134 00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:47,020 sometimes wandering around in the dark 1135 00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:49,600 on your own in a place where something 1136 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,550 might happen have you had any what you 1137 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:54,160 would thought might have been intuitive 1138 00:46:58,260 --> 00:46:56,410 moments or have you been irrational II 1139 00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:58,270 scared of something because of a dark or 1140 00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:59,590 whatever you if you had any think that 1141 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,760 you might have thought was a bit 1142 00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:03,520 paranormal happen to you paranormal no 1143 00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,860 but every time you go on down an 1144 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:08,200 alleyway with trees touching your neck 1145 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:10,450 and Warnie into spider webs you get 1146 00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:12,580 freaked out because no one wants to be 1147 00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:15,400 bitten in the eye by a spider that'll 1148 00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:17,590 even someone who said training a tough 1149 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:19,840 girl like yourself knows the firearms 1150 00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:21,730 you just don't want that Huntsman 1151 00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:25,000 anywhere near not i'll refer I don't 1152 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:26,440 know I've walked through all the 1153 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:28,630 spiderwebs and yeah I just don't want in 1154 00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,330 my fantasy and the great thing about 1155 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:33,040 walking respired a web is that someone 1156 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:34,930 watching from a distance you can't see 1157 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:37,210 the spider web so suddenly they think 1158 00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,860 that you're going crazy kungfu for no 1159 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:41,280 reason whatsoever yeah 1160 00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,310 that guy yes have you got a prediction 1161 00:47:48,110 --> 00:47:46,200 for us because a few people of you I 1162 00:47:50,090 --> 00:47:48,120 mean I know you know you haven't got 1163 00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:50,100 your material here the special magic 1164 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:52,260 bone that kind of stuff my crystal ball 1165 00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,700 in front of me but um ah I'm sort of 1166 00:48:01,160 --> 00:47:59,280 hoping i I'm I'm going to have an 1167 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,170 engagement party but if I continue 1168 00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:02,880 working as much as that I i do then 1169 00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,630 maybe not so we'll see how that pans out 1170 00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:08,220 let's look up now we here are we here at 1171 00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:09,720 skeptics in the pub what we got here I'm 1172 00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:12,030 George yeah you do have some predictions 1173 00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,510 for 2013 yes I do I believe that a 1174 00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:18,420 celebrity will get cancer an australian 1175 00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:19,560 politician will say something 1176 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:22,740 ludicrously uninformed and a beloved 1177 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,980 animal will go extinct hmm that's pretty 1178 00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:27,540 good not a beloved animal of this 1179 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:32,100 country or a beloved animal okay do you 1180 00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,930 want to make any more really out there 1181 00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:36,960 ones yeah we heard Jessica that the 1182 00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:38,900 Great Sage Jessica over there earlier 1183 00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:40,950 predicting them with volcanoes 1184 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:44,100 earthquakes like large yes large 1185 00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:45,690 calculon's happening if you you won't 1186 00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:46,860 even want to go on something right there 1187 00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,140 I believes that somewhere on earth a 1188 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:53,040 meteor will hit the ground and become a 1189 00:48:58,070 --> 00:48:56,270 meteorite right brave brave moves my man 1190 00:49:00,620 --> 00:48:58,080 okay we're going to ride up in the book 1191 00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:00,630 right now go ahead yeah you want to 1192 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,470 leave lots of money on this I'm I'll put 1193 00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,760 five dollars and at least one of them 1194 00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:07,440 happening you haven't got a feeling 1195 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:09,240 about any employees of the ABC have you 1196 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:28,390 the hand side is a podcast of the 1197 00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:30,410 monthly lectures ranbir camera skeptics 1198 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:33,619 incorporating each month camera skeptics 1199 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,930 provides experts in their field ruined 1200 00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:37,760 you from science and philosophy to 1201 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:40,280 politics and national security with an 1202 00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:42,770 opportunity to present their views you 1203 00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:46,760 can find us at WWE embryo skeptics dot 1204 00:50:08,100 --> 00:49:50,180 org dot a youth the hansard cameras kept 1205 00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:10,720 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1206 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:13,640 zone 2013 a wonderful year ahead I 1207 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:15,770 wonder if some of those predictions will 1208 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:18,770 come true probably probably they will 1209 00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:21,920 thank you may nod once again as I've 1210 00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:23,990 been gallivanting around the world it's 1211 00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:25,460 nice to know that I can always rely on 1212 00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:28,550 reports from Maynard's we're really 1213 00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:30,350 fabulous thank you may not and thank you 1214 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:32,900 dr. hu for your dr. Reggie reports as 1215 00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:36,260 well on this week's show coming up on 1216 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:38,590 next week's show more interviews from 1217 00:50:42,910 --> 00:50:40,910 the Australian skeptics national 1218 00:50:45,820 --> 00:50:42,920 convention last year now in Melbourne 1219 00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:45,830 and you know what I'm going to try and 1220 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:47,720 get the gang together for a think tank 1221 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:49,730 got to do one of those at least soon I 1222 00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:52,610 hope at least soon but for now I'm going 1223 00:50:57,330 --> 00:50:54,670 to get some more ice out of the freezer 1224 00:51:01,570 --> 00:50:57,340 have another sip of that cool champagne 1225 00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:01,580 and enjoy being back so until next week 1226 00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:03,740 this is Richard Saunders signing off 1227 00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:10,310 from Sydney Australia you've been 1228 00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:13,580 listening to the skeptic zone visit our 1229 00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:18,110 website at www skeptics on TV for